[aaloa promoters] Java related discussions

[jesus.bermejo at telvent.com]

Hi Francesco,

> I cannot explain the move of IBM to OpenJDK otherwise. They
> rethought their licensing policy ...

The press release came shortly after the official answer from Oracle to
Google. ....and the Outsourcing proposal of Google (mail, Ipvoice, office
SW suite,..etc) is quite competitive (probably better than the IBM one).The
barrier for Google IT outsourcing offer for non-SMEs is not technical.

Obviously an OpenJDK+Eclipse(and something in Apache) position is under a
much better control than the Apache+Eclipse one. …and Oracle does not seem
to have any problem for assuming the “bad boy” role; They already launched
a pay version of the JVM, the patent threat is in the air and the GPL
license has relevant business implications that reduce the acceptance by
the industry.

> .... and embedded systems are at the core of any AmI scenario  :-(
>
Here is the interesting discussion and the link with our
projects/initiatives, ....I feel that the embedded systems are more in the
terminal part of AmI rather than in the core. Embedded systems are needed
to reach and interact with the physical world. However, there is not much
difference between the knowledge and intelligence building process in the
physical world and in the digital one (in terms of building relations among
entities to reach conclusions).
This movement has many implications when we are entering in the petabytes
era
...and Java dynamic modularity issues (linked to OSGi) are being discussed
for Java 8.

> By the way I'm not optimist like Stephen Colebourne about the
> results of the vote.
> In the end many will vote on the technical merits of the JSR.
I agree,..but I also feel that many (probably out of the JCP EC) will
realise that this is not a JSR discussion.

Best regards,
-Jesus-



promoters-bounces at aaloa.org escribió el 21/11/2010 19:17:10:

>
> Francesco Furfari
> Enviado por: promoters-bounces at aaloa.org
> 21/11/2010 19:18
>
> Para:
>
> "promoters at aaloa.org" <promoters at aaloa.org>
>
> cc:
>
> Asunto:
>
> Re: [aaloa promoters] Java related discussions
>
> Jesus,
>
> in my opinion it is enough simple to say that ASF is right,  and the
> behaviour of Sun/Oracle undermines all the Java community process.
> If you see the old voting on Java 6,  many partners like IBM, RedHat
> and Intel agreed on the position of ASF.
>
> But now, what is not clear to me are the moves mainly at IBM and
> then Eclipse. With my limited understanding of the strategies of the
> big players, I could interpret the events  as Oracle was afraid of
> the parallel market opened by Google/Android. Harmony project was
> used mainly by Android project and they built a non standard JVM, so
> this could be the "undisclosed" truth , they want to have control on
> the java specification and ASL2.0 is too permissive.  However the
> point is that the same problems of Harmony there will be with the
> OpenJDK project, that is GPL based.   What does Oracle think to do
> with OpenJDK? if they provide a TCK  license without the restriction
> imposed to ASF for the embedded system, then it is clear that  it is
> a war against ASF or their license model.
>
> I cannot explain the move of IBM to OpenJDK otherwise. They
> rethought their licensing policy ...
>
> In the justification of the Eclipse vote they said: "If Java does
> not start to progress as a platform, it will die."
> I fear that if they slow down the spread of Java on embedded
> systems, then Android or even other languages will prevail.
> .... and embedded systems are at the core of any AmI scenario  :-(
>
> By the way I'm not optimist like Stephen Colebourne about the
> results of the vote.
> In the end many will vote on the technical merits of the JSR.
>
> Francesco
>
> Il 20/11/2010 23.57, jesus.bermejo at telvent.com ha scritto:
>
> Dear all,
>
> As you probably know interesting Java 7 discussions are running
> outside. This is probably one of the interesting discussion tracks,
>
>
> http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2010/10/13/java-7-vote/
>
>
> At a personal level, and taking into account Java 8 discussion
> topics and trends, I feel that this agreement
>
>  http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/176988
>
>
> http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/32708.wss#release
>
>
> combined with the Oracle position concerning the TCK are impacting
> importantly in the future of our projects and/or initiatives.
>
>
> Is there any point of view on this topic?
>
>  Best regards,
>
> -Jesus-
>
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