[aaloa promoters] Java related discussions
jesus.bermejo at telvent.com
jesus.bermejo at telvent.com
Thu Nov 25 09:05:50 CET 2010
Hi Francesco,
I feel that this is also relevant in our interesting discussion; The
Whitehouse Office of Management and Budget has announced Cloud Computing
as the default approach to IT for US government agencies.They expect to
reduce 2000+ data center infrastructure by the 40% improving security,
performance and fast deployment of new applications.
Best regards,
-Jesús-
jesus.bermejo
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24/11/2010 10:39
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Hi Francesco,
> can you send me some pointer on that.
http://cloudcomputing.sys-con.com/node/1473133
This is very much focussed on Google and Microsoft but it provides a good
input (allowing comparing offers through the links) of where is the game
for enterprise infrastructure providers.
> Do you think that cloud computing
> solutions, as virtualization of the user resources accessible
> everywhere, will be the prominent aspect ?
This it is not a recent post, but it is a good summary of the megatrends.
Google and open source are not orthogonal. Android is just a demonstration
of their excellent understanding of the playground (recent Oracle-IBM
movements are a reaction - and the key reason for the acquisition of Sun- ,
against the trends, trying to get the control of the situation for the
Enterprise market).
http://blogs.zoho.com/general/ibm-microsoft-google-eras-of-computing
….I also recommend testing the Zoho outsourcing offer (probably the best
Google competitor in some areas)
> In this sense embedded devices (i.e.mobile phone) are important because
> they are centered on the user, they are the probes that help people to
> inspect the physical world, maybe more important of the intelligence
> embedded in the environment ... the problem is that the internet access.
> is not free, and only in a world freely connected you can realize the
> AmI scenarios. The Romans built an empire with roads ;-)
Well, two roman emperors came from here and you can find the roads under
the highways ;-)
In a networked environment the services must be centred in the user, not
the devices/gadgets. You can reach the user for the same service (with the
device constraints) through different devices
But, probably, the most important aspect for breaking barriers is the “pay
as you go” business model that comes with the clouds (allowing testing for
free). Due to the Cloud scalability properties the additional cost per user
is very low (if you make some numbers, calculating the CPU used by your
computer, you will realise that a virtual PC can be provided in your TV for
free)
In the medium/long-term the service may pay for the traffic and the devices
(…currently the communication service is frequently paying the device –i.e.
mobile phone-).
…Apple seems announcing a virtual operator ;-)
…looking at the future.
http://techresearch.intel.com/ProjectDetails.aspx?Id=1
- Jesús-
promoters-bounces at aaloa.org escribió el 23/11/2010 21:03:59:
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> Francesco Furfari
> Enviado por: promoters-bounces at aaloa.org
> 23/11/2010 21:05
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> Para:
>
> "promoters at aaloa.org" <promoters at aaloa.org>
>
> cc:
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> Asunto:
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> Re: [aaloa promoters] Java related discussions
>
> Dear Jesus,
> I realised only now the Oracle lawsuit against Google, it was in August
> during my vacation :-)
> > the Outsourcing proposal of Google (mail, Ipvoice, office
> > SW suite,..etc) is quite competitive (probably better than the IBM one)
> can you send me some pointer on that.
> >> .... and embedded systems are at the core of any AmI scenario :-(
> >>
> > Here is the interesting discussion and the link with our
> > projects/initiatives, ....I feel that the embedded systems are more in
the
> > terminal part of AmI rather than in the core. Embedded systems are
needed
> > to reach and interact with the physical world. However, there is not
much
> > difference between the knowledge and intelligence building process in
the
> > physical world and in the digital one (in terms of building relations
among
> > entities to reach conclusions).
> Well I was referring to the central role of the devices more than the
> technological aspect.
> Maybe I didn't understand your answer. Do you think that cloud computing
> solutions, as virtualization of the user resources accessible
> everywhere, will be the prominent aspect ? I'm not sure about this.
> Years ago people talked about the radio programs killed by the TV. I
> think cloud computing will be only another way to interact with the
> digital world, but not the only one or the prominent way (I hope).
> Personally I'm more interested to exploit the locality principle of
> people traversing different smart spaces and discovering in each of them
> local services (Location Based Services) ... it should scale better ...
> In this sense embedded devices (i.e.mobile phone) are important because
> they are centered on the user, they are the probes that help people to
> inspect the physical world, maybe more important of the intelligence
> embedded in the environment ... the problem is that the internet access
> is not free, and only in a world freely connected you can realize the
> AmI scenarios. The Romans built an empire with roads ;-)
> Francesco
>
> Il 22/11/2010 14.09, jesus.bermejo at telvent.com ha scritto:
> > Hi Francesco,
> >
> >> I cannot explain the move of IBM to OpenJDK otherwise. They
> >> rethought their licensing policy ...
> > The press release came shortly after the official answer from Oracle to
> > Google. ....and the Outsourcing proposal of Google (mail, Ipvoice,
office
> > SW suite,..etc) is quite competitive (probably better than the IBM
one).The
> > barrier for Google IT outsourcing offer for non-SMEs is not technical.
> >
> > Obviously an OpenJDK+Eclipse(and something in Apache) position is under
a
> > much better control than the Apache+Eclipse one. …and Oracle does not
seem
> > to have any problem for assuming the “bad boy” role; They already
launched
> > a pay version of the JVM, the patent threat is in the air and the GPL
> > license has relevant business implications that reduce the acceptance
by
> > the industry.
> >
> >> .... and embedded systems are at the core of any AmI scenario :-(
> >>
> > Here is the interesting discussion and the link with our
> > projects/initiatives, ....I feel that the embedded systems are more in
the
> > terminal part of AmI rather than in the core. Embedded systems are
needed
> > to reach and interact with the physical world. However, there is not
much
> > difference between the knowledge and intelligence building process in
the
> > physical world and in the digital one (in terms of building relations
among
> > entities to reach conclusions).
> > This movement has many implications when we are entering in the
petabytes
> > era
> > ...and Java dynamic modularity issues (linked to OSGi) are being
discussed
> > for Java 8.
> >
> >> By the way I'm not optimist like Stephen Colebourne about the
> >> results of the vote.
> >> In the end many will vote on the technical merits of the JSR.
> > I agree,..but I also feel that many (probably out of the JCP EC) will
> > realise that this is not a JSR discussion.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > -Jesus-
> >
> >
> >
> > promoters-bounces at aaloa.org escribió el 21/11/2010 19:17:10:
> >
> >> Francesco Furfari
> >> Enviado por: promoters-bounces at aaloa.org
> >> 21/11/2010 19:18
> >>
> >> Para:
> >>
> >> "promoters at aaloa.org"<promoters at aaloa.org>
> >>
> >> cc:
> >>
> >> Asunto:
> >>
> >> Re: [aaloa promoters] Java related discussions
> >>
> >> Jesus,
> >>
> >> in my opinion it is enough simple to say that ASF is right, and the
> >> behaviour of Sun/Oracle undermines all the Java community process.
> >> If you see the old voting on Java 6, many partners like IBM, RedHat
> >> and Intel agreed on the position of ASF.
> >>
> >> But now, what is not clear to me are the moves mainly at IBM and
> >> then Eclipse. With my limited understanding of the strategies of the
> >> big players, I could interpret the events as Oracle was afraid of
> >> the parallel market opened by Google/Android. Harmony project was
> >> used mainly by Android project and they built a non standard JVM, so
> >> this could be the "undisclosed" truth , they want to have control on
> >> the java specification and ASL2.0 is too permissive. However the
> >> point is that the same problems of Harmony there will be with the
> >> OpenJDK project, that is GPL based. What does Oracle think to do
> >> with OpenJDK? if they provide a TCK license without the restriction
> >> imposed to ASF for the embedded system, then it is clear that it is
> >> a war against ASF or their license model.
> >>
> >> I cannot explain the move of IBM to OpenJDK otherwise. They
> >> rethought their licensing policy ...
> >>
> >> In the justification of the Eclipse vote they said: "If Java does
> >> not start to progress as a platform, it will die."
> >> I fear that if they slow down the spread of Java on embedded
> >> systems, then Android or even other languages will prevail.
> >> .... and embedded systems are at the core of any AmI scenario :-(
> >>
> >> By the way I'm not optimist like Stephen Colebourne about the
> >> results of the vote.
> >> In the end many will vote on the technical merits of the JSR.
> >>
> >> Francesco
> >>
> >> Il 20/11/2010 23.57, jesus.bermejo at telvent.com ha scritto:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> As you probably know interesting Java 7 discussions are running
> >> outside. This is probably one of the interesting discussion tracks,
> >>
> >>
> >> http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2010/10/13/java-7-vote/
> >>
> >>
> >> At a personal level, and taking into account Java 8 discussion
> >> topics and trends, I feel that this agreement
> >>
> >> http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/176988
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/32708.wss#release
> >>
> >>
> >> combined with the Oracle position concerning the TCK are impacting
> >> importantly in the future of our projects and/or initiatives.
> >>
> >>
> >> Is there any point of view on this topic?
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> -Jesus-
> >>
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