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> You have a chance to talk with him.</font></tt><br>
<font size="3" face="Frutiger-Light">...it would be nice meeting you there ;-) </font><br>
<font size="3" face="Frutiger-Light">Best regards,</font><br>
<font size="3" face="Frutiger-Light">-Jesus-</font><br>
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<tt><font size="2">Francesco Furfari <francesco.furfari@isti.cnr.it> escribió el 16/09/2011 11:18:59:<br>
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<tt><font size="2">> Francesco Furfari</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> 16/09/2011 11:20</font></tt><br>
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> Para: </font></tt><br>
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> jesus.bermejo@telvent.com</font></tt><br>
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> cc: </font></tt><br>
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> Mohammad-Reza Tazari <saied.tazari@igd.fraunhofer.de>, supporters@aaloa.org</font></tt><br>
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> Asunto: </font></tt><br>
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> Re: [aaloa supporters] Thoughts related to the recent comments on <br>
> the Lecce Declaration</font></tt><br>
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> Hi Jesus, Saied</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> <br>
> If the channel with the EIP steering group will work, I would expect<br>
> the request of a more detailed document describing the rationale of <br>
> the proposed key measures. Then we can introduce open source <br>
> policies for innovation as a relevant aspect for implementing the ecosystem.</font></tt><br>
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> However I see three point where we could introduce ( or mention as <br>
> example) the relevance of OSS : </font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> <a href="http://www.aalforum.eu/group/leccedeclaration/page/v5-from-1-sep-2011">http://www.aalforum.eu/group/leccedeclaration/page/v5-from-1-sep-2011</a></font></tt><br>
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> the building of sustainable ecosystem (3rd point)</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> the open, not-for-profit organization supporting platforms <br>
> sustainability (4th point)</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> Efficient IPR management strategies (last point)</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> <br>
> Likely we can change the form of one of such measures to put in <br>
> evidence something that (at least by me) is already implicit.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> Let see if we can manage it during the session in Lecce.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> <br>
> Saied, you may not know that Jesus will present OSAMI project in <br>
> Darmsdat at the OSGi Community Event next Tuesday (20 Sept).</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> have a look at the agenda there are interesting talks:</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> <a href="http://www.osgi.org/CommunityEvent2011/Agenda">http://www.osgi.org/CommunityEvent2011/Agenda</a><br>
> You have a chance to talk with him.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> <br>
> Best regards,</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> Francesco</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> <br>
> On 16/09/2011 9.08, jesus.bermejo@telvent.com wrote: </font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> <br>
> Hi Said,</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> At a personal level I feel that ideas are important, if a document <br>
> does not reflect the ideas it should not be led (just supporting the text). </font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> For focussing in the relevant projects, it is more important <br>
> transmitting the ideas that adapting them to the context. </font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> At this stage there is a lot of open software outside and AAL will <br>
> not be able to write it again. </font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> In any case, this is not a binding opinion ;-)</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> Best regards,</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> -Jesus-</font></tt><br>
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> [imagen eliminada] Mohammad-Reza Tazari ---16/09/2011 07:35:38---Hi <br>
> Jesus, the reason is that the LD is not an AALOA document. AALOA was only</font></tt><br>
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<tt><font size="2">> Mohammad-Reza Tazari</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> 16/09/2011 07:35</font></tt><br>
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> [imagen eliminada] </font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> Para: </font></tt><br>
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> [imagen eliminada] </font></tt><br>
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> jesus.bermejo@telvent.com </font></tt><br>
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> [imagen eliminada] </font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> cc: </font></tt><br>
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> [imagen eliminada] </font></tt><br>
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> supporters@aaloa.org </font></tt><br>
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> [imagen eliminada] </font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> Asunto: </font></tt><br>
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> [imagen eliminada] </font></tt><br>
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> Re: [aaloa supporters] Thoughts related to the recent comments on <br>
> the Lecce Declaration </font></tt><br>
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> Hi Jesus,</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> <br>
> the reason is that the LD is not an AALOA document. AALOA was only</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> mandated to organize the work on the LD in an open way without any</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> "back-stage" decision making. Apparently, the experience of the</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> participants of AMB'11 was that at least this level of trusting the</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> AALOA governing board is possible, which is already something. Me</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> personally am very happy with that. Having this in mind, we tried not to</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> discuss the "how"s too much in order to have a chance to converge. De</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> facto, most of the projects supporting the LD are not linked with AALOA</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> (even some of the people having joined the group on aalforum.eu do not</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> have any link to AALOA). What does AALOA gain? At least, it becomes more</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> known. Although one result of this could be that new people might decide</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> to join, for me personally, however, it is more important that at this</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> stage, we attract a certain level of trust that we really stand for</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> openness, "co-opetiton" (see the manifesto), and convergence even if</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> one might not share some of our concrete ideas.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> <br>
> Kind regards,</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> <br>
> -- Saied</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> <br>
> jesus.bermejo@telvent.com wrote on 16-Sep-11 00:32:</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> ></font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> > something that surprises me me when reading this declaration</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> > (...particulary if it is comming form AALOA) is that open source is</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> > not mentioned at all.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> > We have been involved in others policy documents such as the OECD</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> > Study on Software Innovation, as technical advisors to the economist</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> > team (together with industrial organisations with different</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> > strategies)</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> > <a href="http://www.oecd.org/document/63/0">http://www.oecd.org/document/63/0</a>,<br>
> 3746,en_2649_34223_39109439_1_1_1_1,00.html#background</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> > and open source is recognised as other strategies,</font></tt><br>
<tt><font size="2">> > Is there any reason for this?</font></tt><br>
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