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Jesus,<br>
<br>
thanks, well I knew about the theoretical limit and also that there
are many open issues with the mesh topology ...<br>
<br>
However regarding competitors, I don't know many other OSS solutions
so far.<br>
ProSyst Software provides a commercial solution but it seems they
use a different design, we are a step forward by modelling a ZB
cluster Library.<br>
We did a search some time ago but we found only "empty" projects
(mainly on sourceforge).<br>
In any case they were based only to provide a classical ZigBee
driver interface, while our approach follows the OSGi Access
Specification.<br>
<br>
I know that soon will be ready the ZigBee Gateway specification
(with WS and restful interfaces) ,<br>
they had some preliminary test in Irland in these weeks, but our
solution is different and most importantly can be used to implement
their specification.<br>
<br>
There are also rumours of a new OSGi ZigBee Device specification,
but the CNR is not member of OSGi Alliance so we cannot participate
to the Working Group.<br>
By the way we hope to be involved at least in the proposal
submission.<br>
Occasionally, in this regard there is an interesting comment to the
post of Peter Kriens: "JCP is dead"<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.osgi.org/blog/2010/12/jcp-is-dead.html">http://www.osgi.org/blog/2010/12/jcp-is-dead.html</a><br>
<br>
WDYT ? Will OSGi change his policy? ;-)<br>
<br>
Francesco<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Il 19/12/2010 18.28, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jesus.bermejo@telvent.com">jesus.bermejo@telvent.com</a> ha scritto:
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<div>Hi Francesco,<br>
<br>
I will try to clarify my comment on your answer;<br>
<br>
>in the project proposal we say that ZigBee covers many application<br>
>domains very useful for AAL related project, but we don't mean that <br>
>ZigBee must be the reference technology for AAL applications.<br>
>We are aware that there are many competing solutions, IP6LowPan, <br>
>Wireless HART, or UPnP, DPWS ....<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB">When
I mention the risk in the
survival of the open source project I am referring to
external open source
competitors. As you are mentioning, it is not a
core/reference technology for
AAL applications(note that open source is more competitive
than traditional commercial
development)</span> </p>
<br>
>I didn't understand your last example. In theory ZigBee networks can<br>
>contains 65.000 nodes, enough for the smart environments we are<br>
>addressing, but I guess you was thinking to a different use case.<br>
><br>
<br>
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<![endif]--><span style="" lang="EN-GB">From the inputs I have so far it
seems that this number of nodes is difficult to achieve in
real deployments;
and this is a R&D issue being tackled in other domains.
The example was just to illustrate the type of requirements
being addressed for this technology in other domains (to
clarify the above)</span>. ...and it is not only this, also
the current strength of some middleware communities.
<br>
<br>
>The scalability issues in my mind are that ones related to the remote<br>
>management of thousand of devices; a control center that has to<br>
>remotely manage many smart home installations, the remote upgrade of<br>
>the software/firmware installed in such environments, and so on ...<br>
>but IMO the problems are not on the ZigBee side.<br>
I fully agree, this scalability is not in the ZigBee part,<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
-Jesus-<br>
<br>
<br>
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<font color="#990099">-----promoters-bounces@aaloa.org escribió:
-----<br>
<br>
</font>>Para: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:promoters@aaloa.org">"promoters@aaloa.org"</a> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:promoters@aaloa.org"><promoters@aaloa.org></a><br>
>De: Francesco Furfari <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:francesco.furfari@isti.cnr.it"><francesco.furfari@isti.cnr.it></a><br>
><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:Enviado%A0por:%A0promoters-bounces@aaloa.org">Enviado por: promoters-bounces@aaloa.org</a><br>
>Fecha: 19/12/2010 16:32<br>
>Asunto: Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project<br>
>proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI<br>
><br>
><br>
>Jesus,<br>
><br>
><br>
>in the project proposal we say that ZigBee covers many application<br>
>domains very useful for AAL related project, but we don't mean that <br>
>ZigBee must be the reference technology for AAL applications.<br>
><br>
>We are aware that there are many competing solutions, IP6LowPan, <br>
>Wireless HART, or UPnP, DPWS ....<br>
><br>
>With respect to the AALOA mission, this project can be considered one<br>
>of the many building blocks that may be integrated in a reference<br>
>platform for AAL. <br>
><br>
>It is an outcome of the PERSONA project, but it is released without<br>
>the "peculiarities" of the PERSONA project, so that it is a generic<br>
>solution that can be integrated in the AAL/AmI platform you like.<br>
><br>
><br>
>I didn't understand your last example. In theory ZigBee networks can<br>
>contains 65.000 nodes, enough for the smart environments we are<br>
>addressing, but I guess you was thinking to a different use case.<br>
><br>
>The scalability issues in my mind are that ones related to the remote<br>
>management of thousand of devices; a control center that has to<br>
>remotely manage many smart home installations, the remote upgrade of<br>
>the software/firmware installed in such environments, and so on ...<br>
>but IMO the problems are not on the ZigBee side.<br>
><br>
><br>
>Francesco<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>Il 19/12/2010 0.33, <br>
><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:jesus.bermejo@telvent.com">jesus.bermejo@telvent.com</a><br>
> <br>
>ha scritto: <br>
><br>
>Dear all,<br>
><br>
><br>
>My vote is positive ...<br>
> <br>
>however, it is not clear the strategy for the AAL domain being the<br>
>driver for the evolution of Zigbee out from a ZigBee for Health Care<br>
>profile (which is a very limited area in the scope of this<br>
>technology). This combined with the current activity in this<br>
>technology entails a high risk for the survival. <br>
> <br>
><br>
><br>
>Just to mention an additional implementation being integrated in<br>
>device abstraction activities running in OSAmI project; the<br>
>(paralell) R&D activities of the team involved in this technology are<br>
>moving in the direction of overcoming the current limitations in the<br>
>number of nodes in the context of real deployment scenarios (some<br>
>already in operation) which are difficult to find in the AAL domain. <br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
><br>
>Best regards,<br>
> <br>
><br>
><br>
>-Jesus-<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
>-----promoters-bounces@aaloa.org escribió: -----<br>
><br>
><br>
>Para: <br>
><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:promoters@aaloa.org">"promoters@aaloa.org"</a><br>
> <br>
><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:promoters@aaloa.org"><promoters@aaloa.org></a><br>
><br>
>De: Francesco Furfari <br>
><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:francesco.furfari@isti.cnr.it"><francesco.furfari@isti.cnr.it></a><br>
><br>
>Enviado por: <br>
><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:promoters-bounces@aaloa.org">promoters-bounces@aaloa.org</a><br>
><br>
>Fecha: 16/12/2010 14:58<br>
><br>
>Asunto: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal:<br>
>ZigBee 4 OSGI<br>
><br>
> <br>
>Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,<br>
><br>
><br>
>I would like to submit to your attention the attached project<br>
>proposal<br>
><br>
> <br>
>concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.<br>
><br>
><br>
> <br>
>I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to<br>
>allocate<br>
><br>
> <br>
>the needed resources for its software development.<br>
><br>
><br>
> <br>
>As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will<br>
><br>
> <br>
>abstain from voting on this issue.<br>
><br>
> <br>
>I remember to the promoters that even if they haven't a binding<br>
>vote,<br>
><br>
> <br>
>their comments are very welcome.<br>
><br>
><br>
> <br>
>Kind regards,<br>
><br>
> <br>
>Francesco.<br>
><br>
>(See attached <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="file:%A0ZigBee4OSGi%A0project%A0proposal_v4.pdf">file: ZigBee4OSGi project proposal_v4.pdf</a>)<br>
><br>
> <br>
>_______________________________________________<br>
><br>
> <br>
>Promoters mailing list<br>
><br>
> <br>
><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org">Promoters@aaloa.org</a><br>
><br>
> <br>
><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters">http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters</a><br>
> <br>
><br>
><br>
>[anexo "ZigBee4OSGi project proposal_v4.pdf" eliminado por Jesús<br>
>Bermejo Muñoz/Telvent/Abengoa]<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
><br>
>_______________________________________________<br>
><br>
>Promoters mailing list<br>
><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org">Promoters@aaloa.org</a><br>
><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters">http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>_______________________________________________<br>
><br>
>Promoters mailing list<br>
><br>
><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org">Promoters@aaloa.org</a><br>
><br>
><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters">http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters</a></font></blockquote>
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