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Jesus,<br>
<br>
in my opinion it is enough simple to say that ASF is right, and the
behaviour of Sun/Oracle undermines all the Java community process.<br>
If you see the old voting on Java 6, many partners like IBM, RedHat
and Intel agreed on the position of ASF.<br>
<br>
But now, what is not clear to me are the moves mainly at IBM and
then Eclipse. With my limited understanding of the strategies of the
big players, I could interpret the events as Oracle was afraid of
the parallel market opened by Google/Android. Harmony project was
used mainly by Android project and they built a non standard JVM, so
this could be the "undisclosed" truth , they want to have control on
the java specification and ASL2.0 is too permissive. However the
point is that the same problems of Harmony there will be with the
OpenJDK project, that is GPL based. What does Oracle think to do
with OpenJDK? if they provide a TCK license without the restriction
imposed to ASF for the embedded system, then it is clear that it is
a war against ASF or their license model. <br>
<br>
I cannot explain the move of IBM to OpenJDK otherwise. They
rethought their licensing policy ... <br>
<br>
In the justification of the Eclipse vote they said: "If Java does
not start to progress as a platform, it will die."<br>
I fear that <span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style=""
title="">if they slow down the spread of Java on embedded
systems</span></span>, then Android or even other languages will
prevail.<br>
.... and embedded systems are at the core of any AmI scenario :-( <br>
<br>
By the way I'm not optimist like Stephen Colebourne about the
results of the vote. <br>
In the end many will vote on the technical merits of the JSR.<br>
<br>
Francesco<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Il 20/11/2010 23.57, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:jesus.bermejo@telvent.com">jesus.bermejo@telvent.com</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all, </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB">As you
probably know interesting Java 7 discussions are running
outside. This is probably one of the interesting
discussion tracks, <br>
</span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2010/10/13/java-7-vote/">http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2010/10/13/java-7-vote/</a><br>
</span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB">At a personal
level, and taking into account Java 8 discussion topics
and trends, I feel that this agreement</span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/176988">http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/176988</a><br>
</span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/32708.wss#release">http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/32708.wss#release</a><br>
</span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB">combined with
the Oracle position concerning the TCK are impacting
importantly in the future of our projects and/or
initiatives. <br>
</span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB">Is there any
point of view on this topic?</span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB"> Best
regards,</span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB">-Jesus-</span>
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