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[mailto:promoters-bounces@aaloa.org] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Francesco Furfari<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 13. September 2010 08:36<br>
<b>An:</b> promoters@aaloa.org<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [aaloa promoters] Nominating the temporary governing board<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Good morning,<br>
<br>
waiting for other people to express their opinion, let me do two examples
on the activities of such exec committee.<br>
- <b>project proposals</b>:<br>
the committee should approve project proposals. CNR, Fh-IGD, Itaca-UPVand
Sintef will provide the needed resources, but we need the opinion of a
larger committee. So even individuals can participate, in this case the
only resource they will spend is their time to evaluate the proposal (e.g one
page abstract)<br>
<br>
- <b>agreement with other organizations</b>:<br>
Few days ago thanks to Reiner we have received the Support of Ami'10
organization (<a href="http://www.ami-10.org/">http://www.ami-10.org/</a>) (we
are linked) . Any contact and agreement with other organizations should be
discussed and proposed to members of such committee.<br>
We have many contacts in view e.g. Open URC, OHT, Continua, EFMI and so
on.<br>
<br>
Last I would like to present the committee to the AAL Forum next week. (15/9)<br>
<br>
Summarizing we are:<br>
Saied + Reiner (Fh-IGD)<br>
Joe + Bruno (Sintef)<br>
Antonio + Bruno (Trialog)<br>
<br>
What about the others?<br>
Sergio, Juan Pablo, Francois, Marco, Sten,Thomas, Gunnar, ...
? the roll call is long :-) and I know some people is
travelling to Odense.<br>
<br>
Francesco<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Mohammad-Reza Tazari wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I think that the supporters and promoters mailing lists
along with the temporary governing board provide us altogether even with three
level of commitment for the incubation phase, which I find fine. In this phase,
a coherent set of by-laws and governing rules must be defined according to
which the legal entity to be established will work. How it will be in those
by-laws, is IMO still under discussion. <br>
<br>
Regards, <br>
<br>
-- Saied <br>
<br>
Francesco Furfari wrote on 10-Sep-10 09:21: <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> Thank you François. <br>
<br>
As in the Manifesto we suggest to organize the association with two <br>
boards, I would clarify soon one aspect of this phase. <br>
<br>
IMO any organization we decide now, it is only to steer this community <br>
towards the incorporation of an association according the legal <br>
framework of some European state. In the end the bodies foreseen for the <br>
real association could be very different. <br>
<br>
That said, I agree with François, we need two level of commitments. But <br>
I think we already have the first council or college, it is the <br>
promoters list (more or less 25 people). The people who decided to join <br>
this list is motivated to discuss of the organization of AALOA, but <br>
because it will be often tedious and only sometimes exciting, I don't <br>
expect to receive a contribute every time from all those we are. But a <br>
minimal level of cohesion already exists, that's this mailing list was <br>
created right to differentiate this group from the supporters group. <br>
Nevertheless always volunteers we are. <br>
<br>
Now because the option of François (that's co-optation of two bodies) is <br>
an alternative, I would like to know what do you think. <br>
<br>
1) Do you see a vantage in nominating a council of volunteers and and <br>
executive committee ? e.g. a smaller group of people .. <br>
<br>
2) Can we consider the promoters list the council and proceed only with <br>
the nomination of the executive committee? <br>
<br>
<br>
Francesco <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Il 07/09/2010 14.49, Francois Letellier ha scritto: <br>
<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Dear all, <br>
<br>
surely we don't want to "overengineer" the governance of the curently
<br>
incepted AALOA. <br>
<br>
Still I sugest a very lightweight organization with two organs: <br>
- a council (or call it college, or advisory board...) of people who <br>
volunteer to help in discussing matters but cannot necessarily <br>
dedicate manpower or resources - nor make commitments in this respect. <br>
This council might be composed of coopted volunteers (any number per <br>
organization, since the role of the council would only to discuss a <br>
wide range of topics). Cooptation makes sense to keep the group open, <br>
while still keeping some level of cohesion. <br>
- a more operational organ (call it an executive committee ?) composed <br>
of people whose participation in AALOA might fit in their job <br>
description, who might have to report on its progress and, <br>
consequently, might be able to dedicate a "predicatable" fraction of <br>
their time (%FTE) to the association. Typically, this second body <br>
should not count more than one representative per organization, <br>
keeping in mind that the mecanism of proxies can always be used. <br>
<br>
In any event, at this point, a consensus based decision process is to <br>
be prefered. Formal votes should only be used in the second organ <br>
(exec committee) only when no consensus can be reached. <br>
<br>
My 2 cents <br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Francesco Furfari <br>
<<a href="mailto:francesco.furfari@isti.cnr.it">francesco.furfari@isti.cnr.it</a>
<a href="mailto:francesco.furfari@isti.cnr.it"><mailto:francesco.furfari@isti.cnr.it></a>>
<br>
wrote: <br>
<br>
sure volunteers. <br>
<br>
Let me also add that sometime the lazy consensus used by
Apache <br>
community works very fine. <br>
When a new member is invited to join to a software project,
at <br>
least 3 favourable votes should be collect to accept the new
member. <br>
It helps the board by avoiding a boring counting of the
people. Of <br>
course if there is one negative vote it works as a veto. So
people <br>
start to discuss until a consensus is reached, that's veto
is <br>
cancelled. <br>
This rule cannot be used for example for modification of a <br>
by-laws, but it works as facilitate asynchronous
communication. <br>
I would avoid to use one more doodle poll every time we need
to <br>
take a decision that should be fast ... especially now that
we are <br>
growing. <br>
<br>
In Apache there is a distinction among binding votes and non
<br>
binding votes. In this case people of the board have binding
<br>
votes, but non-binding votes are important as well, they
represent <br>
the community involved in the project activities. They are
however <br>
taken into account, and opinion expressed by a of
non-binding vote <br>
is always commented and discussed. <br>
<br>
With respect the shaping of AALOA, I think we will discuss
all the <br>
issues related to statute, by-laws organization in working
groups <br>
here with the promoters mailing list, and any final decision
will <br>
be communicated to the supporters list for getting their
comments. <br>
The governing board for the moment has very few things to
decide <br>
:-) so it is only an official way to represent AALOA to the <br>
external world and to allocate resources to people who want
open a <br>
project within AALOA community. <br>
<br>
<br>
Said that, I agree to have one person for organization and
CNR in <br>
this case does not request an exception (thanks Saied) <br>
<br>
So please volunteers wanted :-) <br>
<br>
francesco <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Il 07/09/2010 8.19, Joe Gorman ha scritto: <br>
<br>
I had been just about to write a
message saying that I think <br>
we should have just one
representative from any one <br>
organisation (otherwise it can look
unfair, especially for <br>
anything needing a vote). I had also
been going to say that <br>
each official representative should
have a recognised <br>
"deputy", to attend
meetings etc. when the main representative <br>
is unavailable. But I don't need to
say that now, as Saied <br>
already suggested it! <br>
<br>
The only other thing I would add is
that the governing board <br>
should be made up only of
"volunteers". So: the fact that an <br>
organisation is listed as a promoter
should not mean that we <br>
automatically insist on that
organisation being represented on <br>
the board. They would be allowed,
but not required. So we <br>
should ask for people who actively
volunteer for this role <br>
e.g. by responding to a request from
you, Francesco. <br>
<br>
For SINTEF, I volunteer to be the
representative, with Marius <br>
as my alternate. <br>
<br>
. Joe <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 6/09/2010 14:15 ,
"Mohammad-Reza <br>
Tazari"<<a
href="mailto:saied.tazari@igd.fraunhofer.de">saied.tazari@igd.fraunhofer.de</a>
<br>
<a
href="mailto:saied.tazari@igd.fraunhofer.de"><mailto:saied.tazari@igd.fraunhofer.de></a>>
wrote: <br>
<br>
Oh, sorry Francesco, my mistake (to
have forgotten the initial <br>
email, <br>
now attached)! This is why I simply
referred to the web site... <br>
<br>
Looking at the member list in the
attached email + Ricardo <br>
Serafin @ TSB <br>
+ Juan Carlos Naranjo Martinez&
Laura Belenguer Querol @ ITACA <br>
+ Marco <br>
Eichelberg @ OFFIS, there are 27
people from 13 orgs. <br>
<br>
I would suggest to have only one
representative from each <br>
organization, <br>
MAYBE just with exception for
CNR-ISTI, in order to have a <br>
size that <br>
reaches more easily a majority
(assuming 2/3) when meeting and <br>
telcos <br>
are organized. This way, the
upper-limit for the size of the <br>
board will <br>
be 14, depending on if all orgs do
want to be present in the <br>
board. The <br>
following numbers should help to
have an imagination of what <br>
it means <br>
for our meetings and telcos: <br>
<br>
size min. # of members necessary for
meetings <br>
----
---------------------------------------- <br>
10 7 <br>
11-12 8 <br>
13 9 <br>
14 10 <br>
<br>
But, I suggest that each official
board member from each org can <br>
nominate just a second person as
possible proxy to increase <br>
the chance <br>
that all orgs are presented when
meetings and telcos are <br>
organized. <br>
<br>
Regards, <br>
<br>
-- Saied <br>
<br>
Francesco Furfari wrote on 06-Sep-10
13:14: <br>
<br>
Dear Said, <br>
<br>
yes, but
personally I would not limit the size of <br>
governing
board, being <br>
temporary,
to 10 people. <br>
The four
organizations cited in the website are willing to <br>
spend some <br>
resources
for incubating AALOA, but we haven't to limit the <br>
participation to them. <br>
<br>
In general
in this mailing list we have individuals that <br>
don't
represent <br>
formally
organizations, I'm thinking to Francois Letellier <br>
or to Thomas
<br>
Karopka to
name a few. But I think their point of views <br>
can enrich
the <br>
governing
board to take the right decisions. <br>
<br>
Furthermore,
I think that people belonging to the <br>
governing
board will <br>
have binding
vote, but I would get the opinion of all the <br>
AALOA <br>
subscribers.
<br>
<br>
francesco <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Il
06/09/2010 11.35, Mohammad-Reza Tazari ha scritto: <br>
<br>
Hi everybody, <br>
<br>
from Fh-IGD, Reiner& me would like to join the <br>
temporary governing <br>
board. <br>
<br>
Just to make sure: taking the list under <br>
<a href="http://www.aaloa.org/team/role_of_promoters">http://www.aaloa.org/team/role_of_promoters</a>
(CNR-ISTI, <br>
Fh-IGD, ITACA, <br>
and SINTEF) and the newest announcement that Marco <br>
Eichelberg from <br>
OFFIS has also joined this list (welcome on board, <br>
Marco!), with the <br>
suggestion by Francesco, there will be at most 10 <br>
people as members of <br>
the temporary governing board. Is that right? <br>
<br>
Regards, <br>
<br>
-- Saied <br>
<br>
Francesco Furfari wrote on 06-Sep-10 09:42: <br>
<br>
Hello to everybody, <br>
<br>
an important issue we discussed in Lisbon was <br>
about the appointment of a <br>
temporary governing board. <br>
I hope all of you are now returned and relaxed <br>
from their summer <br>
vacation to proceed with the board nomination. <br>
I would like to report in the slides presenting <br>
AALOA initiative at AAL <br>
Forum the names of the people composing the <br>
temporary governing board. <br>
<br>
I have not got a specific procedure in mind. Maybe <br>
we could consider to <br>
include not more than 2 people from the same <br>
organization. <br>
Then we should only propose our candidature. <br>
<br>
WDYT? any other hint? <br>
francesco <br>
<br>
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