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Good morning,<br>
<br>
waiting for other people to express their opinion, let me do two
examples on the activities of such exec committee.<br>
- <b>project proposals</b>:<br>
the committee should approve project proposals. CNR, Fh-IGD,
Itaca-UPVand Sintef will provide the needed resources, but we need
the opinion of a larger committee. So even individuals can
participate, in this case the only resource they will spend is
their time to evaluate the proposal (e.g one page abstract)<br>
<br>
- <b>agreement with other organizations</b>:<br>
Few days ago thanks to Reiner we have received the Support of Ami'10
organization (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.ami-10.org/">http://www.ami-10.org/</a>) (we are
linked) . Any contact and agreement with other organizations should
be discussed and proposed to members of such committee.<br>
We have many contacts in view e.g. Open URC, OHT, Continua, EFMI
and so on.<br>
<br>
Last I would like to present the committee to the AAL Forum next
week. (15/9)<br>
<br>
Summarizing we are:<br>
Saied + Reiner (Fh-IGD)<br>
Joe + Bruno (Sintef)<br>
Antonio + Bruno (Trialog)<br>
<br>
What about the others?<br>
Sergio, Juan Pablo, Francois, Marco, Sten,Thomas, Gunnar, ... ?
the roll call is long :-) and I know some people is travelling to
Odense.<br>
<br>
Francesco<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Mohammad-Reza Tazari wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:4C89E9E4.2050100@igd.fraunhofer.de"
type="cite">I think that the supporters and promoters mailing
lists along with the temporary governing board provide us
altogether even with three level of commitment for the incubation
phase, which I find fine. In this phase, a coherent set of by-laws
and governing rules must be defined according to which the legal
entity to be established will work. How it will be in those
by-laws, is IMO still under discussion. <br>
<br>
Regards, <br>
<br>
-- Saied <br>
<br>
Francesco Furfari wrote on 10-Sep-10 09:21: <br>
<blockquote type="cite"> Thank you François. <br>
<br>
As in the Manifesto we suggest to organize the association with
two <br>
boards, I would clarify soon one aspect of this phase. <br>
<br>
IMO any organization we decide now, it is only to steer this
community <br>
towards the incorporation of an association according the legal
<br>
framework of some European state. In the end the bodies foreseen
for the <br>
real association could be very different. <br>
<br>
That said, I agree with François, we need two level of
commitments. But <br>
I think we already have the first council or college, it is the
<br>
promoters list (more or less 25 people). The people who decided
to join <br>
this list is motivated to discuss of the organization of AALOA,
but <br>
because it will be often tedious and only sometimes exciting, I
don't <br>
expect to receive a contribute every time from all those we are.
But a <br>
minimal level of cohesion already exists, that's this mailing
list was <br>
created right to differentiate this group from the supporters
group. <br>
Nevertheless always volunteers we are. <br>
<br>
Now because the option of François (that's co-optation of two
bodies) is <br>
an alternative, I would like to know what do you think. <br>
<br>
1) Do you see a vantage in nominating a council of volunteers
and and <br>
executive committee ? e.g. a smaller group of people .. <br>
<br>
2) Can we consider the promoters list the council and proceed
only with <br>
the nomination of the executive committee? <br>
<br>
<br>
Francesco <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Il 07/09/2010 14.49, Francois Letellier ha scritto: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Dear all, <br>
<br>
surely we don't want to "overengineer" the governance of the
curently <br>
incepted AALOA. <br>
<br>
Still I sugest a very lightweight organization with two
organs: <br>
- a council (or call it college, or advisory board...) of
people who <br>
volunteer to help in discussing matters but cannot necessarily
<br>
dedicate manpower or resources - nor make commitments in this
respect. <br>
This council might be composed of coopted volunteers (any
number per <br>
organization, since the role of the council would only to
discuss a <br>
wide range of topics). Cooptation makes sense to keep the
group open, <br>
while still keeping some level of cohesion. <br>
- a more operational organ (call it an executive committee ?)
composed <br>
of people whose participation in AALOA might fit in their job
<br>
description, who might have to report on its progress and, <br>
consequently, might be able to dedicate a "predicatable"
fraction of <br>
their time (%FTE) to the association. Typically, this second
body <br>
should not count more than one representative per
organization, <br>
keeping in mind that the mecanism of proxies can always be
used. <br>
<br>
In any event, at this point, a consensus based decision
process is to <br>
be prefered. Formal votes should only be used in the second
organ <br>
(exec committee) only when no consensus can be reached. <br>
<br>
My 2 cents <br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Francesco Furfari <br>
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:francesco.furfari@isti.cnr.it">francesco.furfari@isti.cnr.it</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:francesco.furfari@isti.cnr.it"><mailto:francesco.furfari@isti.cnr.it></a>>
<br>
wrote: <br>
<br>
sure volunteers. <br>
<br>
Let me also add that sometime the lazy consensus used by
Apache <br>
community works very fine. <br>
When a new member is invited to join to a software
project, at <br>
least 3 favourable votes should be collect to accept the
new member. <br>
It helps the board by avoiding a boring counting of the
people. Of <br>
course if there is one negative vote it works as a veto.
So people <br>
start to discuss until a consensus is reached, that's veto
is <br>
cancelled. <br>
This rule cannot be used for example for modification of a
<br>
by-laws, but it works as facilitate asynchronous
communication. <br>
I would avoid to use one more doodle poll every time we
need to <br>
take a decision that should be fast ... especially now
that we are <br>
growing. <br>
<br>
In Apache there is a distinction among binding votes and
non <br>
binding votes. In this case people of the board have
binding <br>
votes, but non-binding votes are important as well, they
represent <br>
the community involved in the project activities. They are
however <br>
taken into account, and opinion expressed by a of
non-binding vote <br>
is always commented and discussed. <br>
<br>
With respect the shaping of AALOA, I think we will discuss
all the <br>
issues related to statute, by-laws organization in working
groups <br>
here with the promoters mailing list, and any final
decision will <br>
be communicated to the supporters list for getting their
comments. <br>
The governing board for the moment has very few things to
decide <br>
:-) so it is only an official way to represent AALOA to
the <br>
external world and to allocate resources to people who
want open a <br>
project within AALOA community. <br>
<br>
<br>
Said that, I agree to have one person for organization and
CNR in <br>
this case does not request an exception (thanks Saied) <br>
<br>
So please volunteers wanted :-) <br>
<br>
francesco <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Il 07/09/2010 8.19, Joe Gorman ha scritto: <br>
<br>
I had been just about to write a message saying that I
think <br>
we should have just one representative from any one <br>
organisation (otherwise it can look unfair, especially
for <br>
anything needing a vote). I had also been going to say
that <br>
each official representative should have a recognised
<br>
"deputy", to attend meetings etc. when the main
representative <br>
is unavailable. But I don't need to say that now, as
Saied <br>
already suggested it! <br>
<br>
The only other thing I would add is that the governing
board <br>
should be made up only of "volunteers". So: the fact
that an <br>
organisation is listed as a promoter should not mean
that we <br>
automatically insist on that organisation being
represented on <br>
the board. They would be allowed, but not required. So
we <br>
should ask for people who actively volunteer for this
role <br>
e.g. by responding to a request from you, Francesco. <br>
<br>
For SINTEF, I volunteer to be the representative, with
Marius <br>
as my alternate. <br>
<br>
. Joe <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 6/09/2010 14:15 , "Mohammad-Reza <br>
Tazari"<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:saied.tazari@igd.fraunhofer.de">saied.tazari@igd.fraunhofer.de</a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:saied.tazari@igd.fraunhofer.de"><mailto:saied.tazari@igd.fraunhofer.de></a>>
wrote: <br>
<br>
Oh, sorry Francesco, my mistake (to have forgotten the
initial <br>
email, <br>
now attached)! This is why I simply referred to the
web site... <br>
<br>
Looking at the member list in the attached email +
Ricardo <br>
Serafin @ TSB <br>
+ Juan Carlos Naranjo Martinez& Laura Belenguer
Querol @ ITACA <br>
+ Marco <br>
Eichelberg @ OFFIS, there are 27 people from 13 orgs.
<br>
<br>
I would suggest to have only one representative from
each <br>
organization, <br>
MAYBE just with exception for CNR-ISTI, in order to
have a <br>
size that <br>
reaches more easily a majority (assuming 2/3) when
meeting and <br>
telcos <br>
are organized. This way, the upper-limit for the size
of the <br>
board will <br>
be 14, depending on if all orgs do want to be present
in the <br>
board. The <br>
following numbers should help to have an imagination
of what <br>
it means <br>
for our meetings and telcos: <br>
<br>
size min. # of members necessary for meetings <br>
---- ---------------------------------------- <br>
10 7 <br>
11-12 8 <br>
13 9 <br>
14 10 <br>
<br>
But, I suggest that each official board member from
each org can <br>
nominate just a second person as possible proxy to
increase <br>
the chance <br>
that all orgs are presented when meetings and telcos
are <br>
organized. <br>
<br>
Regards, <br>
<br>
-- Saied <br>
<br>
Francesco Furfari wrote on 06-Sep-10 13:14: <br>
<br>
Dear Said, <br>
<br>
yes, but personally I would not limit the size of
<br>
governing board, being <br>
temporary, to 10 people. <br>
The four organizations cited in the website are
willing to <br>
spend some <br>
resources for incubating AALOA, but we haven't to
limit the <br>
participation to them. <br>
<br>
In general in this mailing list we have
individuals that <br>
don't represent <br>
formally organizations, I'm thinking to Francois
Letellier <br>
or to Thomas <br>
Karopka to name a few. But I think their point of
views <br>
can enrich the <br>
governing board to take the right decisions. <br>
<br>
Furthermore, I think that people belonging to the
<br>
governing board will <br>
have binding vote, but I would get the opinion of
all the <br>
AALOA <br>
subscribers. <br>
<br>
francesco <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Il 06/09/2010 11.35, Mohammad-Reza Tazari ha
scritto: <br>
<br>
Hi everybody, <br>
<br>
from Fh-IGD, Reiner& me would like to join
the <br>
temporary governing <br>
board. <br>
<br>
Just to make sure: taking the list under <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.aaloa.org/team/role_of_promoters">http://www.aaloa.org/team/role_of_promoters</a>
(CNR-ISTI, <br>
Fh-IGD, ITACA, <br>
and SINTEF) and the newest announcement that
Marco <br>
Eichelberg from <br>
OFFIS has also joined this list (welcome on
board, <br>
Marco!), with the <br>
suggestion by Francesco, there will be at most
10 <br>
people as members of <br>
the temporary governing board. Is that right?
<br>
<br>
Regards, <br>
<br>
-- Saied <br>
<br>
Francesco Furfari wrote on 06-Sep-10 09:42: <br>
<br>
Hello to everybody, <br>
<br>
an important issue we discussed in Lisbon
was <br>
about the appointment of a <br>
temporary governing board. <br>
I hope all of you are now returned and
relaxed <br>
from their summer <br>
vacation to proceed with the board
nomination. <br>
I would like to report in the slides
presenting <br>
AALOA initiative at AAL <br>
Forum the names of the people composing
the <br>
temporary governing board. <br>
<br>
I have not got a specific procedure in
mind. Maybe <br>
we could consider to <br>
include not more than 2 people from the
same <br>
organization. <br>
Then we should only propose our
candidature. <br>
<br>
WDYT? any other hint? <br>
francesco <br>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________ <br>
Promoters mailing list <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org">Promoters@aaloa.org</a> <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org"><mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org></a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters">http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters</a>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________ <br>
Promoters mailing list <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org">Promoters@aaloa.org</a> <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org"><mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org></a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters">http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________ <br>
Promoters mailing list <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org">Promoters@aaloa.org</a> <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org"><mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org></a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters">http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________ <br>
Promoters mailing list <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org">Promoters@aaloa.org</a> <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org"><mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org></a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters">http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Francois Letellier <br>
Open innovation and open-source software <br>
Tel: +33 6 84 64 00 24 - Skype: francois.letellier <br>
Web site: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.flet.fr">http://www.flet.fr</a> <br>
<br>
OW2 - Board Member and member of the European Local Chapter -
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ow2.org">www.ow2.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.ow2.org"><http://www.ow2.org></a>
<br>
ACONIT - <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="http://www.aconit.org">www.aconit.org</a> <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.aconit.org"><http://www.aconit.org></a>
- Board member <br>
APRIL - <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="http://www.april.org">www.april.org</a> <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.april.org"><http://www.april.org></a>
<br>
fOSSa: the conference "where Open Source meets Academia" - <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.ow2.org/fossaconference">http://www.ow2.org/fossaconference</a>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________ <br>
Promoters mailing list <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org">Promoters@aaloa.org</a> <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters">http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters</a>
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