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Thank you François.<br>
<br>
As in the Manifesto we suggest to organize the association with two
boards, I would clarify soon one aspect of this phase.<br>
<br>
IMO any organization we decide now, it is only to steer this
community towards the incorporation of an association according the
legal framework of some European state. In the end the bodies
foreseen for the real association could be very different.<br>
<br>
That said, I agree with François, we need two level of commitments.
But I think we already have the first council or college, it is the
promoters list (more or less 25 people). The people who decided to
join this list is motivated to discuss of the organization of AALOA,
but because it will be often tedious and only sometimes exciting, I
don't expect to receive a contribute every time from all those we
are. But a minimal level of cohesion already exists, that's this
mailing list was created right to differentiate this group from the
supporters group. Nevertheless always volunteers we are.<br>
<br>
Now because the option of François (that's co-optation of two
bodies) is an alternative, I would like to know what do you think.<br>
<br>
1) Do you see a vantage in nominating a council of volunteers and
and executive committee ? e.g. a smaller group of people ..<br>
<br>
2) Can we consider the promoters list the council and proceed only
with the nomination of the executive committee?<br>
<br>
<br>
Francesco<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Il 07/09/2010 14.49, Francois Letellier ha scritto:
<blockquote
cite="mid:AANLkTikB+ZSFY-ChBiL26QnzWxOD0v1en9BV=a7G=e8O@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Dear all,<br>
<br>
surely we don't want to "overengineer" the governance of the
curently incepted AALOA.<br>
<br>
Still I sugest a very lightweight organization with two organs:<br>
- a council (or call it college, or advisory board...) of people
who volunteer to help in discussing matters but cannot necessarily
dedicate manpower or resources - nor make commitments in this
respect. This council might be composed of coopted volunteers (any
number per organization, since the role of the council would only
to discuss a wide range of topics). Cooptation makes sense to keep
the group open, while still keeping some level of cohesion.<br>
- a more operational organ (call it an executive committee ?)
composed of people whose participation in AALOA might fit in their
job description, who might have to report on its progress and,
consequently, might be able to dedicate a "predicatable" fraction
of their time (%FTE) to the association. Typically, this second
body should not count more than one representative per
organization, keeping in mind that the mecanism of proxies can
always be used.<br>
<br>
In any event, at this point, a consensus based decision process is
to be prefered. Formal votes should only be used in the second
organ (exec committee) only when no consensus can be reached.<br>
<br>
My 2 cents<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:39 AM,
Francesco Furfari <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:francesco.furfari@isti.cnr.it">francesco.furfari@isti.cnr.it</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left:
1ex;"> sure volunteers.<br>
<br>
Let me also add that sometime the lazy consensus used by
Apache community works very fine.<br>
When a new member is invited to join to a software project, at
least 3 favourable votes should be collect to accept the new
member.<br>
It helps the board by avoiding a boring counting of the
people. Of course if there is one negative vote it works as a
veto. So people start to discuss until a consensus is reached,
that's veto is cancelled.<br>
This rule cannot be used for example for modification of a
by-laws, but it works as facilitate asynchronous
communication.<br>
I would avoid to use one more doodle poll every time we need
to take a decision that should be fast ... especially now that
we are growing.<br>
<br>
In Apache there is a distinction among binding votes and non
binding votes. In this case people of the board have binding
votes, but non-binding votes are important as well, they
represent the community involved in the project activities.
They are however taken into account, and opinion expressed by
a of non-binding vote is always commented and discussed.<br>
<br>
With respect the shaping of AALOA, I think we will discuss all
the issues related to statute, by-laws organization in working
groups here with the promoters mailing list, and any final
decision will be communicated to the supporters list for
getting their comments. The governing board for the moment
has very few things to decide :-) so it is only an official
way to represent AALOA to the external world and to allocate
resources to people who want open a project within AALOA
community.<br>
<br>
<br>
Said that, I agree to have one person for organization and CNR
in this case does not request an exception (thanks Saied)<br>
<br>
So please volunteers wanted :-)<br>
<br>
francesco<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Il 07/09/2010 8.19, Joe Gorman ha scritto:
<div>
<div class="h5"><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;
padding-left: 1ex;"> I had been just about to write a
message saying that I think we should have just one
representative from any one organisation (otherwise it
can look unfair, especially for anything needing a
vote). I had also been going to say that each official
representative should have a recognised "deputy", to
attend meetings etc. when the main representative is
unavailable. But I don't need to say that now, as Saied
already suggested it!<br>
<br>
The only other thing I would add is that the governing
board should be made up only of "volunteers". So: the
fact that an organisation is listed as a promoter
should not mean that we automatically insist on that
organisation being represented on the board. They would
be allowed, but not required. So we should ask for
people who actively volunteer for this role e.g. by
responding to a request from you, Francesco.<br>
<br>
For SINTEF, I volunteer to be the representative, with
Marius as my alternate.<br>
<br>
. Joe<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 6/09/2010 14:15 , "Mohammad-Reza Tazari"<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:saied.tazari@igd.fraunhofer.de"
target="_blank">saied.tazari@igd.fraunhofer.de</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
Oh, sorry Francesco, my mistake (to have forgotten the
initial email,<br>
now attached)! This is why I simply referred to the web
site...<br>
<br>
Looking at the member list in the attached email +
Ricardo Serafin @ TSB<br>
+ Juan Carlos Naranjo Martinez& Laura Belenguer
Querol @ ITACA + Marco<br>
Eichelberg @ OFFIS, there are 27 people from 13 orgs.<br>
<br>
I would suggest to have only one representative from
each organization,<br>
MAYBE just with exception for CNR-ISTI, in order to have
a size that<br>
reaches more easily a majority (assuming 2/3) when
meeting and telcos<br>
are organized. This way, the upper-limit for the size of
the board will<br>
be 14, depending on if all orgs do want to be present in
the board. The<br>
following numbers should help to have an imagination of
what it means<br>
for our meetings and telcos:<br>
<br>
size min. # of members necessary for meetings<br>
---- ----------------------------------------<br>
10 7<br>
11-12 8<br>
13 9<br>
14 10<br>
<br>
But, I suggest that each official board member from each
org can<br>
nominate just a second person as possible proxy to
increase the chance<br>
that all orgs are presented when meetings and telcos are
organized.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
-- Saied<br>
<br>
Francesco Furfari wrote on 06-Sep-10 13:14:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;
padding-left: 1ex;"> Dear Said,<br>
<br>
yes, but personally I would not limit the size of
governing board, being<br>
temporary, to 10 people.<br>
The four organizations cited in the website are
willing to spend some<br>
resources for incubating AALOA, but we haven't to
limit the<br>
participation to them.<br>
<br>
In general in this mailing list we have individuals
that don't represent<br>
formally organizations, I'm thinking to Francois
Letellier or to Thomas<br>
Karopka to name a few. But I think their point of
views can enrich the<br>
governing board to take the right decisions.<br>
<br>
Furthermore, I think that people belonging to the
governing board will<br>
have binding vote, but I would get the opinion of all
the AALOA<br>
subscribers.<br>
<br>
francesco<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Il 06/09/2010 11.35, Mohammad-Reza Tazari ha scritto:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:
1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi everybody,<br>
<br>
from Fh-IGD, Reiner& me would like to join the
temporary governing<br>
board.<br>
<br>
Just to make sure: taking the list under<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.aaloa.org/team/role_of_promoters"
target="_blank">http://www.aaloa.org/team/role_of_promoters</a>
(CNR-ISTI, Fh-IGD, ITACA,<br>
and SINTEF) and the newest announcement that Marco
Eichelberg from<br>
OFFIS has also joined this list (welcome on board,
Marco!), with the<br>
suggestion by Francesco, there will be at most 10
people as members of<br>
the temporary governing board. Is that right?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
-- Saied<br>
<br>
Francesco Furfari wrote on 06-Sep-10 09:42:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:
1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hello to everybody,<br>
<br>
an important issue we discussed in Lisbon was
about the appointment of a<br>
temporary governing board.<br>
I hope all of you are now returned and relaxed
from their summer<br>
vacation to proceed with the board nomination.<br>
I would like to report in the slides presenting
AALOA initiative at AAL<br>
Forum the names of the people composing the
temporary governing board.<br>
<br>
I have not got a specific procedure in mind. Maybe
we could consider to<br>
include not more than 2 people from the same
organization.<br>
Then we should only propose our candidature.<br>
<br>
WDYT? any other hint?<br>
francesco<br>
<br>
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target="_blank">Promoters@aaloa.org</a><br>
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href="http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters"
target="_blank">http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters</a><br>
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href="mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org" target="_blank">Promoters@aaloa.org</a><br>
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href="http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters"
target="_blank">http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters</a><br>
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href="mailto:Promoters@aaloa.org" target="_blank">Promoters@aaloa.org</a><br>
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href="http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters"
target="_blank">http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters</a><br>
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href="http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters"
target="_blank">http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters</a><br>
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